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TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236477] Sat, 18 January 2014 01:19 Go to next message
Clark76 is currently offline  Clark76   United States
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TOWD BRAKE SYSTEMS USED[ 28 votes ]
1. I don't Tow a Car 9 / 32%
2. I don't currently use a Tow Brake System 6 / 21%
3. I use a CABLE BRAKE (Like ReadyBrake - Inertia Hitch) 1 / 4%
4. I use a PORTABLE BRAKE (Like Brake Buddy, Patriot, EvenBrake, RVi Brake) 7 / 25%
5. I use a SEMI-PERMANENT BRAKE (Like SMI Duo, InvisiBrake, US Gear, M&G) 2 / 7%
6. I use OTHER System... 3 / 11%

There are many Tow Brake systems out there, a good summary on the majority of them is located at the following link: http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/13200019.cfm

QUESTION: If I were given a gift certificate for a new installed Tow Brake System, I would upgrade from __________ to a ___________ brake system because I drive a _____________. (Fill in the blanks)

[Updated on: Mon, 10 February 2014 20:30]

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Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236488 is a reply to message #236477] Sat, 18 January 2014 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
George B. is currently offline  George B.   United States
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I use an Even Brake system with good results. Although my 1st towd was a 92 Geo Tracker stick shift and the Even Brake bracket would not attach very well to the very-small brake pedal on the Geo Tracker. I had to secure it with cable ties and cut them off when ever I removed the Even Brake. I now have a towd with auto trans so the brake pedal is larger and no longer a problem to attach to.

California Vehicle Code requires a supplemental braking unit for any towed vehicle over 1,500 lbs. and breakaway brakes.

So just for speculation, what would the liability be if in an at- fault accident while towing a 2,500 lb towd with no breaking system while the coach owners manual limits towing to 1,000 lbs. Add to that the coach has one of the numerous modified braking systems. Would your insurance abandon you?


George Butts Las Vegas Nevada 73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven 71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236492 is a reply to message #236488] Sat, 18 January 2014 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil   United States
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We have a Unified Braking System on our 1978 Alfa Sedan towd.
See http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1002



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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236496 is a reply to message #236488] Sat, 18 January 2014 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No George. Stupidity is covered by all auto insurance policies. They just will not pay for intentional acts.

Todd Sullivan

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> On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:14 AM, GEORGE BUTTS <george.b@reagan.com> wrote:
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> I use an Even Brake system with good results. Although my 1st towd was a 92 Geo Tracker stick shift and the Even Brake bracket would not attach very well to the very-small brake pedal on the Geo Tracker. I had to secure it with cable ties and cut them off when ever I removed the Even Brake. I now have a towd with auto trans so the brake pedal is larger and no longer a problem to attach to.
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> California Vehicle Code requires a supplemental braking unit for any towed vehicle over 1,500 lbs. and breakaway brakes.
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> So just for speculation, what would the liability be if in an at- fault accident while towing a 2,500 lb towd with no breaking system while the coach owners manual limits towing to 1,000 lbs. Add to that the coach has one of the numerous modified braking systems. Would your insurance abandon you?
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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236596 is a reply to message #236477] Sun, 19 January 2014 08:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are a lot of good towed braking systems out there. We have used the TOW-V-AIRE braking system since 2004 when I bought a one off a fellow club member when he was getting out of GMCing. Never had any problems or issues with the unit and have transferred it between 2 coaches and 2 towds.

This is a RV Form discussion on the braking system.
http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=9410.0

As stated in the forum Bill the owner goes out of his way to help out. I needed a new wiring harness for the 2009 Honda that we tow and he sent me one almost overnight and I reused the coach wiring harness as it had enough extra wiring to work with the stretch coach.

It really gets down to how much that your willing to spend and if your lucky enough to find a good used unit.

J.R. Wright
30' Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
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On Jan 18, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Southmayd <wsouthmayd@aol.com> wrote:

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> There are many Tow Brake systems out there, a good summary on the majority of them is located at the following link: http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/13200019.cfm
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Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236613 is a reply to message #236477] Sun, 19 January 2014 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was going to build my one similar to Ken Hendersons but ran out of time before Branson.


Did some research and ended up with a ReadyBrake.

http://www.readybrake.com/brake-systems.html

I know of the reports of burned out TOWD brakes with the earlier versions of this system. However, the current ones use their own stinger that fits in your receiver. In addition, there is a small red light that you run up to your dash that lights when the brake engages. I'd have to be totally stupid not to notice the lights on or not feel the brakes dragging.

They do caution that you need to be within 2" of level with the tow bar mounts on the TOAD so it doesn't bind. Makes sense and I purchased a 4" drop for that reason.

Originally, I was going to just use it as a temporary thing but decided it works just fine and in a panic stop it comes on RIGHT NOW!. You can adjust how soon it engages.

The only thing I don't especially care for is that the tow bar package is about 16" longer because of their stinger. I may redo my hitch to take that into consideration.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #236840 is a reply to message #236477] Mon, 20 January 2014 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of the reasons I started this poll was because camping world now has a special to install anything for $39. This makes a semi permanent installed competitively priced to a portable towd brake and I wanted to see what members favored.

[Correction: The The Good Sams member price at Camping world for a Semi-Permanent Toad brake product purchased at Camping World Super center, install is $149 during 2014 (Must read that pesky fine print).]

At $39 is was a bargain, at $149, might as well crawl under the GMC if I go that route.

[Updated on: Wed, 22 January 2014 16:15]

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Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237035 is a reply to message #236477] Wed, 22 January 2014 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I pull a Geo Tracker and hardly notice it is there at ~2,300 pounds. But... I did have my engine die going down a hill and the thought of having remote controlled Toad brakes is enticing for safety as a further back-up in our ethanol induced vapor lock environment. (I have also since installed an auxiliary vacuum pump which will kick in if my engine dies again). I don't want to go without brakes down a hill again sitting over the GMC wheels and 2 1/2 feet from the windshield - yikes!
Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237069 is a reply to message #237035] Wed, 22 January 2014 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some toad breaks, such as the Brake Buddy use a pendulum inside the box that swings forward when the motorhome brakes are applied and this applies the toad brakes. However, if one were to loose the motorhome brakes then that would not put on the toad brakes. When I first got my Brake Buddy I thought about this and I wired up a switch to the automatic disconnect terminals on the Brake Buddy with a switch on my dash. If I were ever going downhill and lost my GMC brakes I could hit the switch and the toad brakes would come on. There is always the risk of flat spotting the toad tires but if it would save my life and my GMC it would be worth it. I have never had to use it but it is there if I need it.

Even with a vacuum pump (which I also have) you wouldn't have brakes if the master cylinder develops a leak in its piston or if you have a brake line break.

Emery Stora

On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Southmayd <wsouthmayd@aol.com> wrote:

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> I pull a Geo Tracker and hardly notice it is there at ~2,300 pounds. But... I did have my engine die going down a hill and the thought of having remote controlled Toad brakes is enticing for safety as a further back-up in our ethanol induced vapor lock environment. (I have also since installed an auxiliary vacuum pump which will kick in if my engine dies again). I don't want to go without brakes down a hill again sitting over the GMC wheels and 2 1/2 feet from the windshield - yikes!
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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237127 is a reply to message #237069] Thu, 23 January 2014 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery,

I use a "Stay In Play" towed brake system. It is radio controlled and has its own vacuum pump in the tow vehicle. You never really have to make any connections, although if the car follows the coach and not hooked up every time you put on the brake the car does too. It also brakes proportional to the coach braking. I usually take out the control box when it isn't being towed but you don't have to do it.


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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237147 is a reply to message #237127] Thu, 23 January 2014 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene

I wonder if your system will brake the toad if your brakes fail on the motorhome?

I went to the Stay in Play site and found this:

"Activation of the towed vehicle's brakes require BOTH deceleration and the brake lights from the motorhome. Once BOTH signals are present, DUO gently applies the brakes."

If you had total brake failure in the motorhome you would not have any deceleration so it would seem you would not have any toad braking either.
That is exactly the problem I saw with the Brake Buddy which also requires deceleration to activate the air piston which applies the toad brakes. That is why I wired a manual switch for an emergency where I might loose the motorhome brakes on a downgrade.

The disconnect switch applies the toad brakes so it was easy to put a switch in series with it to trick the toad into thinking it was disconnected and apply the brakes. I could pulse the switch to apply the toad brakes manually when I needed to. As I said I have never had to use it but it is there "just in case".

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:

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> Emery,
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> I use a "Stay In Play" towed brake system. It is radio controlled and has its own vacuum pump in the tow vehicle. You never really have to make any connections, although if the car follows the coach and not hooked up every time you put on the brake the car does too. It also brakes proportional to the coach braking. I usually take out the control box when it isn't being towed but you don't have to do it.
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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237416 is a reply to message #237147] Sat, 25 January 2014 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery,

In 39 years with the same coach I have never had a brake failure. I now have all wheel disc brakes with a Branscombe parking brake. In case of a brake failure I would use the parking brake and gears to slow down and get stopped. I also notice since I travel around 3 to 5 mph below the speed limit I never have anyone in front of me. I also test the brakes before I have to make a turn off. As I get older, I get more careful. I also check all fluid levels before going on a trip. Most braking systems will give a little warning of some kind before going out if you recognize it.


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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #237446 is a reply to message #237416] Sat, 25 January 2014 14:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene
I do a lot of driving on mountain grades. Conditions are a lot different from the typical driving on the East Coast.

Parking brakes and gearing down don't often do much on long steep downgrades. As I have said twice in my previous emails on this subject, I haven't had to use it but I also haven't had to use my life insurance policy either. :)

Emery Stora

On Jan 25, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:

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> Emery,
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> In 39 years with the same coach I have never had a brake failure. I now have all wheel disc brakes with a Branscombe parking brake. In case of a brake failure I would use the parking brake and gears to slow down and get stopped. I also notice since I travel around 3 to 5 mph below the speed limit I never have anyone in front of me. I also test the brakes before I have to make a turn off. As I get older, I get more careful. I also check all fluid levels before going on a trip. Most braking systems will give a little warning of some kind before going out if you recognize it.
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Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #240347 is a reply to message #236477] Tue, 18 February 2014 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like the thought of a semi-permanent installation connected to the Towd with vacuum assist, activated by brake lights and inertia. I also like the thought of being able to monitor and control the brake pressure from within the GMC also for emergency stops.

Has anyone installed a US Gear Unified Tow Brake on a Geo-Tracker? As a lightweight Towd will the US Gear adjust low enough for the weight of the vehicle?
Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #240349 is a reply to message #236477] Tue, 18 February 2014 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I use a Brake Buddy that I bought used. After a couple of years it quit working so I called the manufacturer and they told me to send it in - max cost would be $150. They did charge me $150 (including shipping) for a new compressor but they also upgraded it to the digital version at no extra charge. It works great and keeps me legal.

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Re: [GMCnet] TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #240364 is a reply to message #240347] Tue, 18 February 2014 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2/18/2014 7:30 AM, CS wrote:
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> I like the thought of a semi-permanent installation connected to the Towd with vacuum assist, activated by brake lights and inertia. I also like the thought of being able to monitor and control the brake pressure from within the GMC also for emergency stops.
>
> Has anyone installed a US Gear Unified Tow Brake on a Geo-Tracker? As a lightweight Towd will the US Gear adjust low enough for the weight of the vehicle?

I have that system installed on my '71 Datsun 510 which weighs 2400#. I
know some of the Trackers are supposed to be lighter than that but it
works great on my Datsun.

Kelvin
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Re: TOWD BRAKES: How do you Brake your Tow Car? [message #357143 is a reply to message #236477] Fri, 24 July 2020 08:20 Go to previous message
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After initiating this post in 2012, I can now report that I have purchased and tested a Towd Brake System. It's only been 8 years....why rush things.

My selection - RVI3
https://rvibrake.com/products/rvibrake3-flat-towing-braking-system?variant=20046642181

It had the features I desired most: 1)Portable, 2)Lightweight, 3)Quick Response, 4)Remote monitoring from inside the coach, 5)Fully adjustable remote sensitivity, 6)Can work independently as programmed in the event of a Wifi/Bluetooth failure, 7)Able to remotely activate Towd brakes in the event of a catastrophic failure of the Motorhome brakes and at least act as a drogue chute in an emergency.

I like the ability to see when and how hard the Towd brakes are being applied when in operation. I can set it up for normal braking or just panic braking applications - lots of flexibility to adjust sensitivity on the brakes.

Overall I give it a solid thumbs-up.

The long-term test will come after seeing how the electronics hold up and how future software updates keep up with the hardware (comes with a 7" tablet for monitoring). Maybe in a future release they will allow migration to a Android or Apple application on my existing phone or tablet. Dash space is being taken over by tablets it seems: GPS, Tire Monitoring, Brake Monitoring, Rear Camera Etc. It's starting to look like a NASA control center.



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